Mike Huckabee on Tax Reform Republican AR Governor

Raising fees is the same as raising taxes

ROMNEY: We raised fees by $240 million in our state because we had a whole series of fees that hadn't been raised, in some cases, in decades, so we brought them up to the cost of providing services. These were not broad-based fees that were required for all people to pay, rather for specialized services.

HUCKABEE: It's semantics about taxes and fees: if you're a small business owner or you pay the fee, it's as much out of your pocket. You can call it a fee, you can call it a tax, it's still money the government's taking from you. It's the same thing.

ROMNEY: I came in, there was a $3 billion budget gap. Together with the legislature, we cut spending, we also raised fees, and we calculated how much money we raised in the fees. It was $240 million. We can show you the number.

HUCKABEE: The fees I think you raised were more like half a billion dollars, not $240 million.

Raised AR net tax burden by $500M to comply with court order

HUCKABEE: There had never been a broad-based tax cut in the 160-year history of my state, & I signed the first one. I cut taxes 94 times. We eliminated the marriage penalty. We doubled the child tax care credit. We indexed the income tax for inflation. We froze property taxes for seniors so they didn't lose their homes due to increases in property taxes.

ROMNEY: Facts are different things. Net-net, didn't you raise taxes in your state by half a billion dollars?

HUCKABEE: By a court order that said we had to improve education. Maybe you don't have to obey the court in Massachusetts. I did in Arkansas. And you know something? Education is a good thing for kids, because kids like me wouldn't be sitting here if it weren't for [public education].

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FactCheck: 90 cuts + 23 tax increases: net $505M increase

The ad shows a graphic asserting that Huckabee "cut taxes over 90 times" as governor. 90 tax cuts indeed were enacted under Huckabee; however, so were 21 tax increases, and they far outweighed the cuts. The total net tax increase under Huckabee was an estimated $505.1 million. Not surprisingly, anti-tax groups give Huckabee poor marks, and the anti-tax group Club For Growth has even been running TV ads against Huckabee on this topic.

Huckabee's ad also boasts that he "balanced the budget every year" he was governor, but that's not much to crow about. Like other governors, he must balance the state budget by law.

AdWatch: Signed first-ever broad-based tax cut in Arkansas

FactCheck: Passed broad-based tax cut, but not "first ever"

Raised some taxes based on court orders and voter approval

A: Well, I don't think they're legitimate criticisms when some of those were either court ordered or they were voted on by the people and approved by the people for things such as roads. I don't think they're legitimate criticisms when you improve education for the children of your state. That's what being a governor is about. It's about creating opportunities for the people of your state.

Q: Even if it means raising taxes?

A: I cut 94 taxes. People forget what we did do on a positive nature: eliminated the marriage penalty, indexed the income tax for inflation so low-income people weren't paying high tax rates. So what we tried to do in tax policy by doubling the child care tax credit and by raising the threshold at which people paid, we untaxed a lot of the poor people and gave them a shot at actually making it up the economic ladder.

Support FairTax with a tax credit for the poor

FactCheck: FairTax would not eliminate IRS; just change role

It is true that the FairTax would get rid of the agency that we now call the IRS. But, according to the bill Huckabee supports, the Fairtax would "eliminate" the IRS by replacing it with a new Sales Tax Bureau, which wouldn't necessarily be much smaller than the existing IRS.

According to the Bush administration study on the FairTax, "The federal administrative burden for a retail sales tax may be similar to the burden under the current system." The FairTax would also require an entirely new type of bureaucracy to "keep track of the personal information that would be necessary to determine the size of the taxpayer's cash grant."

FairTax is 23%; Bush's study missed prebate & other aspects

A: Right.

Q: This would be a sales tax of 23% on almost every good and service you buy or anyone buys. But a bipartisan panel named by President Bush say to raise enough money, the rate would have to be 34%.

A: They didn't really study the FairTax. They simply studied a type of consumption tax, not the actual proposal that was designed by some of the leading economists in this country. It is a rate of 23%. It's not 30% or 34%, as some of the critics complain.

Q: They said that a FairTax would reduce the tax burden on only two groups, those making less than $30,000 a year, because there's a rebate for people under the poverty line, and those making more than $200,000 a year. So the rich and the poor do better, but the vast middle class ends up paying more taxes.

A: They had a fatal flaw. They didn't understand that the "prebate" applies to everybody, including the middle class. Everybody comes off better off.

FairTax untaxes productivity & things which we export

HUCKABEE: Nothing's going to discourage Americans from spending money! No, the FairTax does something that is absolutely phenomenal for the economy. It untaxes productivity. It untaxes those things which we export.

HUNTER: I'm a sponsor of the FairTax.

FairTax eliminates all taxes on productivity & saving

A: The Bush tax panel did not look at the FairTax proposal. They looked at something that called itself that, but it was not. The true FairTax proposal is the 23%. And it empowers everyone in the economy, not just the people at the bottom and the very top, but all of the middle class, which is a desperate need. What we would do with the FairTax is to eliminate all the taxes on productivity. You wouldn't be penalized for saving, earning, for having a capital gain, making an investment.

Gut this incredibly complex and arcane tax code

Attacked as tax-and-spend by several anti-tax groups

A: I have to be a little flattered that the Club for Growth targeted me with $100,000 of ads. But there are nuances of a state government--I'm quite proud of having navigated a ship through trouble waters in Arkansas.

Q: It's not just the Club for Growth. The Cato Institute gave you a "D" on taxes for your 10 years as governor. Americans for Tax Reform said that state spending during your first 8 years as governor increased by 65%.

A: But if you look at our state spending, budgeting during my time as governor increased about 0.5% a year. When you look at the things that I actually had control [over, you would ignore] these wild accusations that I'm a tax and spender.

Tax system penalizes productivity; needs complete overhaul

A: I absolutely support the FairTax. And part of the reason is, the current system is one that penalizes productivity. If we could have the FairTax, you take $10 trillion parked offshore, bring it home, you rebuild the "Made in America" brand, you free up people to earn money, to work, you don't penalize them for taking a second job, you don't penalize them for investing, you don't penalize them for savings.

Today, our tax system doesn't need a tap of the hammer, a twist of the screwdriver, it needs a complete overhaul. And what the FairTax does, it ends the underground economy. No more illegals, no more gamblers, prostitutes, pimps and dope dealers will be able to escape the tax code. It's the single great thing that will help this country [achieve a] revitalized economy.

FairTax puts Going-Out-of-Business sign on IRS

A: The simplest way is an active FairTax. That's the first thing I'd love to do as president, put a "Going Out of Business" sign on the Internal Revenue Service and stop the $10 billion a year that it costs just for them to operate. A FairTax would eliminate the alternative minimum tax [& many other taxes].

FactCheck: FairTax requires 34% sales tax +$600B entitlement

"A FairTax would eliminate the alternative minimum tax, personal income tax, corporate tax, & al the various taxes that are hidden in our system & Americans don't realize what they're paying."

Pres. Bush's bipartisan Advisory Panel on Tax Reform rejected the idea, saying it would substantially increase taxes for 80% of taxpayers. The panel calculated that a sales tax would have to be set at 34% of retail prices, and the monthly cash prebate would amount to the largest entitlement program in history, at least $600 billion per year.

Flatter, fairer, finite, family friendly overhaul: Fair Tax

A: I cut taxes 94 times as governor, but I realize tinkering with it doesn't work. I'd overhaul it. I would work for the fair tax, which meets the four criteria: flatter, fairer, finite, family friendly. We'd get rid of the IRS. We're get rid of all capital gains, income, corporate. And we'd have a consumption tax. The fair tax proposal, I believe, offers the best opportunity for all levels of Americans.

First governor in Arkansas history to ever lower taxes

Did we raise taxes on fuel? Yes, but 80% of the people voted on improving what was the worst road system in the country.

Wouldn't propose new taxes, but won't pledge against taxes

A: I don't think taxes is really where we need to go. It's not that our taxes are too low, it's that our spending is too high. I think that the real issue is getting our spending under control, making our priorities where they work for the American people.

Q: So "read my lips, no new taxes"?

A: I wouldn't propose any new taxes. I wouldn't support any. But if we're in a situation where we are in a different level of war, where there is no other option, I think that it's a very dangerous position to make pledges that are outside the most important pledge you make, and that is the oath you take to uphold the Constitution and protect the people of the United States.

Raised Arkansas taxes 5 times, but lowered taxes 94 times

Source: Meet the Press: 2007 "Meet the Candidates" series Jan 28, 2007

Supports national flat tax to keep up with globalization

One of the arguments for a flat tax is to address a world economy that has radically changed in the last decade. Capital, and even labor, are fluid & mobile. A tax structure that is more predictable, consistent, flatter, and fairer not only represents greater accountability in government but may well be a key element of economic survival as we continue to play on a global stage. Governments unwilling to respond with lower rates and broader tax bases are tempting fate and could continue to see erosion of investment & jobs.

Some argue that a flat tax is especially oppressive to those at the bottom of the economy because they currently pay little of their income to taxes. Making sure that a tax system is fair means we should not ignore the needs of the poor.

Eliminated AR marriage penalty & capital gains on home sales

During my tenure as governor, we:
• Eliminated the income tax for families below the poverty line.
• Increased the standard deductions.
• Eliminated the marriage penalty.
• Eliminated bracket creep by indexing the income taxes to inflation, thereby preventing taxpayers from moving into a higher bracket when their paychecks increase due to inflations.
• Doubled the child care tax credit.
• Eliminated capital gains tax on the sale of a home.
• Passed the first broad-based tax cut in the state's history.
• Signed a property taxpayer's bill of rights establishing a uniform notice and due process procedure allowing taxpayers to appeal valuation and assessments.
• Provided an income tax credit for companies that provide or reimburse for training and education programs for employees.
• Cut the capital gains tax for individuals and business to encourage investment.

Illustrated hypocrisy with "Tax Me More Fund"

Arkansas citizens who felt they were not contributing enough of their personal or business income could write checks and the state would be more than happy to receive their contributions.

I carried envelopes for the Tax Me More Fund. I must have carried them to dozens of speeches and yet not one time did anyone ask for an envelope. From 2001 to 2005, a total of 56 people made contributions to the Tax Me More Fund totaling $2,077. It was a potent way of pointing out the hypocrisy of the insincere vocal minority who proved by their failure to write a check that they wanted more taxes to be paid, but they wanted them to be paid by someone other than themselves. In Dec. 2001, the Americans for Tax Reform named me as a Friend of the Taxpayer for exposing the phoniness of the more tax arguments.

Remove the poorest taxpayers from the tax rolls

No tax increase under any circumstances

No national sales tax or VAT.

State tax policy is closely linked to federal policy. 36 states currently use either federal income or federal tax liability as the state tax base for personal income taxes. It is critical that Congress and the administration do not enact tax reform in a vacuum, but in consultation and in partnership with the nation’s Governors.
• National Sales or Value-Added Tax The nation’s Governors oppose a national sales or transactional value-added tax. Such taxes would intrude into a tax area that has traditionally been reserved for and relied on by state and local governments. If enacted, either of these taxes would seriously threaten the ability of state and local governments to maintain their tax base.
• Current Income Tax If Congress decides to reform the current tax system, they should reduce the complexity of current income taxes; increase incentives to work, save, and invest; and increase efficiency and fairness. As part of any reform of the current income tax, the nation’s Governors would oppose any modification to the deductibility of state income taxes, property taxes, and the interest on state and local bonds.
• Transition If major tax reform is enacted, it should not be implemented for at least three years, to give states ample time to adjust their own tax systems.
• Information Needs of the StatesThe ability of states to tax various revenue sources depends to a large extent on information that only the federal government can collect. This is becoming much more important given the complexity of both the international and domestic economies in tracing where goods and income are generated. It is critical that the federal government separate tax reform per se from the information that is collected from individuals, businesses, and corporations with respect to income generated. The data collection role of the federal government must be developed in partnership with state and local governments.

Let states independently determine estate taxes.

We are writing to request equal treatment between states and the federal government on estate tax changes. Regardless of one’s view about phasing out the federal estate tax, the Governors are absolutely united in opposing any action that would discriminate against states in the phase-out of the state and federal estate taxes. This issue needs to be addressed before the Senate goes to conference with the House.

Governors believe that the ability of states to independently determine their own tax revenue policy is a basic tenet of federalism. Moreover, no federal tax bill should be enacted without close consultation with the states.

At the very least, there must be equity in the treatment of the state death tax credit in the tax bill the Congress considers with the proposed phase-out of the federal estate tax. Governors oppose provisions that impose disproportionate impacts on state revenue systems. The changes proposed by the Senate would have abrupt, significant adverse impacts on state revenues at a particularly onerous time for many states. The potential impact on states would begin next year and have a potential impact of between $50 and $100 billion over the next ten years.

We urge the leaders to respect those rights and to restore fairness.